# Stop the Nuclear Insanity: Build the Oasis Plan - YouTube

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- [00:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=18s) Hello everyone, welcome. This is the International Peace Coalition. This is the 179th meeting that we've had consecutively. Uh my name is Anastasia Battle. I'll be your moderator today as well as Dennis Small and Dennis Speed. And this is definitely a very very very exciting week uh with a lot of very dense um uh elections decisions uh meetings that'll be coming up very soon which we're going to hear about uh from a lot of leading experts uh on the discussion today.
- [00:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=55s) Uh please uh everyone if you're joining us uh if you're a regular or if you're joining us for the first time uh welcome and uh feel free to share this invitation with your organizations your friends uh your reasonable enemies uh in order to participate uh in this very lively dialogue that we'll be having today. I do like to remind everyone why we created this forum 179 weeks ago, which was to unite the international peace movement.
- [01:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=85s) And people who are veterans in this process for many years know that this is not the easiest idea to accomplish. There has been many in operation to prevent us from communicating with one another, from collaborating with one another, to have infighting. And if we actually want to accomplish creating true peace in the world, to end genocides, to stop the drive for thermonuclear World War II, then we have to collaborate.
- [01:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=114s) We have to work together. So whatever philosophy you may be coming from, whatever religion you believe in, whatever nationality you come from or language that you speak, if you were for creating true peace in the world for humanity, then you are welcome here. Uh so to start us off today, um we have a uh video from Helgarouche uh to lay out the perspective uh for the meeting today.
- [02:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=143s) Can we please pull up that meeting uh that video please? >> Dear participants of the International Peace Coalition, for more than three years now, we have warned every week about the danger of a nuclear war. But never has the situation be so close like right now. And I can only appeal to all of you who help us to mobilize against this very immediate danger because it implies the potential unihilation of humankind.
- [02:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=178s) Now the New York Times and various U reporters, pundits are reporting that the US and Israel are contemplating an a strike, a new strike against Iran, against the infra energy infrastructure of Iran. And that implies naturally including the suspected nuclear facility which could involve the use of a tactical nuclear weapon which then could set in motion an escalation without uh without the ability to stop it.
- [03:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=218s) Now both the US Central Command and the IDF in Israel have been reported to have been engaged in various preparations which can only be interpreted as a preparation for such a coming escalation in the war against Iran. Now if you look at the uh story just before uh war secretary Hexet on the 19th of October went to Israel and met there with Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders apparently to tell them uh not to strike Iran before the midterm election.
- [04:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=261s) uh but if they would wait until afterwards, the US would be all out with them. This war against Iran has cost Trump the midterm election leading to the biggest defeat of the president and the Republicans for a very very long time. uh if they continue this war, the likelihood that they have lost all chances for the 28th presidency is uh gigantic.
- [04:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=292s) Nevertheless, the danger is that this strike could occur today, tomorrow, over the weekend. So immediate action is absolutely necessary. Now Trump is already blaming Hexet. Vice President JD Vance is uh distancing himself from the war by basically saying that it was the Iran issue which caused the election to be lost. But nevertheless uh we are in mortal danger.
- [05:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=322s) Now if you combine that with the ongoing massive escalanation against Russia whereby the British House of Commons just issued a report where they blame Russia for everything under the sun from cyber warfare, fake uh bomb attacks, bump threats to 12 airports in Europe and then the uh basically the fact that uh NATO just concluded a special so-called deep strike symposium which nobody even know that such a thing existed reported by General Krinkovich saying that they were testing deep strikes into Russia in a coming
- [06:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=372s) potential war uh assuming that a Russian invasion uh is uh going to happen and that therefore more decisive actions including deep strikes against Russia, Russian infrastructure uh would be necessary. Now that is the absolute super red line. And if you combine these two conflicts, the escalation in the Middle East and the ongoing uh escalation against Russia, everybody who is not, you know, completely blind must understand that we are in the potentially hours or days, weeks if you are uh optimistic before World War II.
- [06:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=419s) Now in addition to that uh under secretary of politics in the Pentagon uh Elbridge Colby is traveling right now in Poland and Romania uh discussing the setting up of permanent US bases in these countries which you know adds to the you know red lines being crossed uh in respect to to Russia. Now there is massive diplomatic activity underway uh because Russia, China, naturally the countries of the so-called Mecca alliance, Iran itself, they all have an absolute existential interest to stop this war. So, Pescov uh just
- [07:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=465s) announced that the upcoming uh meeting in APE in Shenzhen uh later this month between President Trump, President Putin and President Xi Xi Jinping is well underway and indeed that is a potential hope that you know it could be possible even if not very likely at this point that the three presidents together managed to catapult the world into a new geometry.
- [08:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=500s) Also, China is doing a lot of uh diplomatic activity activity. Foreign Minister Wangi met with the Saudi defense minister, with the Iranian defense minister. Uh, China also sent their special envoy to the region of Southeast Asia and Putin received the Iranian Supreme Security Council Razi carrying a message of Supreme Leader Kamai.
- [08:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=527s) So uh it is very clear that all of these efforts are aimed to stop uh the absolute disaster but something much more fundamental is necessary. Um the four global initiatives presented by the Chinese government uh culminating in the global governance of uh initiative presents the idea of moving the world rapidly to a completely new paradigm a new security and development architecture which must be designed in such a way that the interest of every single country on the planet is being taken care of. Now this is more than
- [09:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=571s) just a plan. Uh I reported uh already a week ago that I participated in the Shan Shang on global governance forum in China which was an attempt to bring together forces from all over the world. uh there was a very large representation of the global majority countries uh who all are absolutely expressing their interest to move the world out of this danger of geopolitics by defining such a new security architecture.
- [10:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=609s) Now obviously the other extremely important element in this is uh Pope Leo I 14th who has come out again and again in the recent period saying there is no just war only peace is holy. So he just uh addressed the religious leaders meeting in Aisi where he made a powerful intervention uh for peace uh denouncing uh all forms of of war appealing to the religious leaders of the world to support such an effort.
- [10:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=645s) So if you are a believer of any of the great faith in the world, follow the advice of Pope Leo I 14th who after what happened clearly is the moral leader also of the United States given the fact that he is the first Americanborn pope in history. So we must unite all of these forces by uh [clears throat] basically establishing a new paradigm which allows the continuous survival of the human species.
- [11:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=681s) We absolutely have to give up geopolitics. The idea that we in the west should dominate the rest of the world which is a morbid idea only pursued by the Epstein [clears throat] class of perverts and has nothing to do with the interest of the human species as a whole. So let's mobilize like never before.
- [11:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=705s) Call your parliamentarian, your congressman, your senator, your mayor, your city council, your state legislator and get the mobilization all over the world going that we have to make a clear message. People of the world will not tolerate the innation of the human species. >> Excellent. Thank you very much Help Larouche.
- [12:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=729s) Uh if you're just joining us, that was Helga Zeppelouch, the founder of the Schiller Institute and the initiator of the International Peace Coalition. Um thank you again, Helga, for setting us up for the meeting today. Uh next, I'd like to go to Ray McGovern. Uh he's a former CIA analyst, co-founder of Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, and also a regular on the International Peace Coalition.
- [12:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=753s) Uh welcome, Ray. Please go ahead. You have the floor. >> Thank you, Anastasia. Uh, and thank you for inviting me again. Can I be heard appropriately? >> Loud and clear. >> Okay, terrific. Um, my goodness. Uh, thank you again, Helga, for setting the stage here. There's little I need to add in terms of the severity of the situation.
- [12:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=777s) Um, and the last thing I want to do is trivialize any of this, but I'm I'm in need of my some comic relief here. there's got to be some something to laugh at. And and so and this may be a challenge for your translators or even for AI. Um but I'm going to speak tug and cheek here for the first minute and point out that poor President Trump not only is suffering from his bone spur, which is acting up again, but now he's got a fallen arch.
- [13:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=813s) um not on the same foot, mind you, but this was a 250 ft fallen arch. And he he takes these things seriously. And this is apocryphal, but we have a leak now from the National Institute of Health. Uh this business about him memorizing those five words. What were they? They were hat, hair, logo, white, and black.
- [14:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=840s) Actually, he got them mixed up. um he didn't uh he didn't pass that that cognition exam and so when he says my god the doctor said holy sht [laughter] this guy is a freaking genius all that is apocryphal so he's suffering under that and so we will just kind of have to sit back and say well is there something funny about this that's my attempt to relieve the the gloom Boom and the doom.
- [14:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=871s) Now, let's get back to where uh where Helga left off. [snorts] Uh there was Tuesday and and so when when some of us kept appealing for the notion that uh you know there are enough of us. It's up to us. Well, we did pretty well on Tuesday in terms of restraining what has been going on. The only problem of course is the man in charge, the man who could put his fingers on the nuclear codes is not really compass and so everyone has to take account of that.
- [15:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=908s) Uh the reasons for hope, yes, he can get out of this very simply. I I'm going to just run through one chance that he had. I remember the end of February, 28th of February when he decided or as Rubio explained, Israel decided to attack Iran and we decided we had to go in there with Israel.
- [15:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=933s) Well, what happened on the 26th of February, two days before the Omani foreign minister, who is acting as mediator says, "Oh, we're almost there. We got it. We just met on the 26th and I got on a plane. Now I'm here in Washington on the 27th and I'm going to see who I say. Oh yeah, I'll see JD Vance because he understands this stuff.
- [15:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=954s) So he talks to Vance and apparently got a blank stare from JD Vance. So what did he do? He called up Margaret Brennan. He went on live on CBS. So what did he say? He said, "Oh my god, we're almost there. I have mediated several rounds. Iran, get this folks. This is the mediator speaking on the 27th of February this year.
- [16:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=982s) Of course, I have mediated several rounds of this. Iran has agreed that it will quote never ever have nuclear material that will create a bomb. The country's existing stockpiles of enriched uranium would be blended to the lowest level possible. Iran is willing to accept ex inspectors from the UN's IA for full access to verify and uh the Omani foreign minister said I am very confident that even American inspectors will have access at some point in the process.
- [17:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1021s) Now we need just a little more time says the Omani foreign minister. So this is the 27th of February. He oh Monday the 27th was Friday. On Monday our are people are going to meet technical talks are scheduled in Vienna and he hopes that we can meet the US negotiators with cough and so forth. So it looks like everything's on track says the mediator Ymani foreign minister.
- [17:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1049s) Well that was Monday those talks are scheduled. This is him speaking on Thursday and of course on Friday you had the 28th of February you had the joint attack. So I'm I'm citing this just to to show that Trump could go back to that and he could easily fix this situation by making the appropriate concessions.
- [17:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1074s) The Iranians are willing to deal. Um they told the Russians they're willing to deal. The Russians are willing to take their highlyenriched uranium as they did in 2015 with the JCPOA. Enough on that. Now, what else? Well, we have the Mecca business where the Saudis are really feeling the heat and so the Pakistanis and the Turks have agreed to help them, but not really help them with soldiers or weapons or anything.
- [18:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1104s) So, the Saudis are in real trouble and so are all the Gulf States. If, as many expect, Trump goes off halfcocked, joins Netanyahu, who is even in more pressure, under more pressure to make some sort of war, uh, and and attacks Iran as as the US is prepared to do. I would just emphasize the difference between military intelligence which deals with capabilities and political or strategic intelligence which in deals which deals with intentions.
- [18:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1139s) Now you could say intentions how can you do intentions when you have uh someone like the unpredictable Trump in the in the cat bird seat. Well that is a problem. That's why everything has to be in the subjunctive mood. Now I noticed that Helga referred again to Pope Leo. I am beginning to be convinced that he's beginning to see the seriousness of the situation.
- [19:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1167s) He is speaking out more directly and today as we speak he's leaving for Latin America and he will visit Peru. Why Peru? He spent 20 years in Peru tending to what we call the poor, the neglected, the widows, the orphans, the refugees. Okay. Now, what else else happened in Peru? Oh, that's where the whole concept of theologia liber was born.
- [20:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1201s) Gustam Gutierrez, he was a Dominican priest and theologian. I had a Franciscan friend who met with him every week and was there when Gustavo said we're going to call this new theology and they were suggested was how about theology of liberation and that's where it was born. So what will happen? Will the pope speak out more strongly than ever? Will they say what's going on in the United States is just the opposite of the latia or what? Now these are things these are uh balls up in the air but there's one ball that came down and that is the
- [20:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1241s) Brazilian elections that is big. Okay. So yes, the pope is going to visit the president of Argentina, but you know, he's going to have to, you know, have to sort of soothe him given the fact that the Silva won in Brazil. So what I'm saying here is, uh, okay, take a little break for some humor if it, if you're up to it, but there are these positive things happening.
- [21:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1267s) And will Trump, despite the results of the election, uh go off halfcocked and use the forces that he has accumulated around the Persian Gulf? I can't say he will or he won't. But I will say that after Tuesday, in my view, for what it's worth, the chances are less than even that he will go off halfcocked. And maybe some of the major military people will speak out like this General Sylvia who was cashiered this last this week.
- [21:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1296s) My god, why doesn't he come to the American people, stop sipping his martini in the office? What does he tell us why he was cashiered? He was cashier because he said that an attack on Iran would be a fool's errand. He ought to tell the rest of us that so we know why he was thrown out rather than just sitting back like all other generals and admirals and keeping this silence when they can speak out.
- [22:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1324s) After all, he's not on active duty anymore. Why doesn't he speak out? I'll I'll end there. I hope I haven't overstayed my welcome. [laughter] >> Thank you, Ray. Well, you're always welcome. Uh we love having you on here. So thank you very much for your insights. I think this is very important for the discussion today.
- [22:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1344s) Um I uh I just want to point out one interesting thing that's coming off of the elections which you were discussing some of this was there is a petition which now is reached it's fast approaching 900,000 calling for a new house speaker uh in in the United States which is very very interesting given that the two speakers that we have currently in the Democratic party are Apac supported people.
- [22:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1369s) So there is definitely something shifting right now. Uh which is also to be optimistic cautiously. Um but I think we have to direct it and be very involved in the United States. Which [clears throat] actually brings us to uh our friend Garland Nixon who is also joining us today. Uh Garland Nixon is a veteran progressive uh radio host and television uh host uh political analyst uh excellent political analyst.
- [23:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1396s) Thank you very much for joining us Garland. Uh, please go ahead. You have the floor. >> Thank you. And your comments about the uh upcoming battle for the House Speaker was the perfect segue for what I'm going to uh say. It's going to be fairly brief, but I think that um just quickly evaluating the recent elections uh from a positive perspective.
- [23:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1418s) Um I think what we're seeing now will well this is going to be a resumption of the uh internal civil war in the Democratic in the Democratic party. That was Hillary Bernie. That was again it was Bernie Biden in 2020. It was Camela versus everybody who was opposed to the to the uh uh uh military actions in in in Gaza in 2024.
- [24:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1440s) But the interesting thing, okay, so they're going to do that. The um Republican party is clearly has an internal civil war and my argument would be because it's all one. Of course, both parties are involved in a civil war individually, but it's all one civil war. It's one it it is the workingclass people recognizing that the um current uh group, the ruling elite um are controlling things and that uh basically we don't get a say.
- [24:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1468s) And I think that's a positive thing [snorts] if it is correctly guided. Okay. So, here's my point and and I make this point of it when I say correctly guided 2024 election was a landslide for Trump. He won every battle state, every battleground state. He won um he got more Latino votes than any president in history, more black votes in many states.
- [24:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1495s) He got up to 20 to 25% of black males. So, he just broke every kind of boundary in the world. But what was it about? He said, "I'm going to stop wars and I'm going to do economic development." And people all voted for it. They voted against war and for economic development. It was and it was a blowout. Now, what happened in this election? He lost in a landslide.
- [25:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1514s) But what were they voting? The same thing. They were voting against war and for economic development. They were saying, "You told us you would give us no war and you told us you'd give us economic development." And we didn't get it. So what we just had, oddly enough, with the same basically kind of candidate on the ba ballot was [snorts] two votes that were both blowouts and both of them were anti-war pro-economic development.
- [25:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1543s) Why is that important? Because the message of everybody here is anti-war, pro-economic development. You know, Paul Robson Jr. used to always say, "It's not what you say, it's when you say it." You can say the same thing over and over and over again, but if people aren't ready to hear it, it doesn't get anywhere. But you may sing the same song for 25 years in a row and then all of the sudden the circumstances are right for people to hear it.
- [26:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1568s) So from a positive perspective, notwithstanding the brilliant job that Rey and others have done here to, you know, um, illuminate the precarious circumstances we find ourselves in now, but [snorts] as far as a more long-term view, it is a perfect time where the electorate has just voted two straight blowouts for the exact same things. Anti-war, pro-economic development.
- [26:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1591s) We want you to end the wars. We want you to focus on here. We want you to focus on inflation. We want jobs. We want this. Clearly what everybody in this room has been, you know, screaming for for years. I'm not a member of your organization, but I align with you absolutely on those issues.
- [26:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1607s) And that's one of the reasons I've, you know, worked with Dennis and other people because I think your message is is fantastic and it is uh definitely what what America needs. So my point is from a positive perspective, people are [snorts] ready to embrace this message more so than ever before. not accept the message, not hear the message, not be open to the message.
- [27:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1626s) People, I'll put it like this. If you don't scream it at them, they'll scream it at you. We don't want war and we want we want economic development. So, I think it's time for people who have that message, who believe that um believe in that, to organize, to reach out to more people, to continue to do our work, but to do it um more so than ever.
- [27:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1648s) And and I think it's a very positive time. And I think that as the Democrat Democrats get the exact same things that the Republican got, which is nothing, which they go from euphoria, hooray, we defeated Trump, to oh darn, we're not going to get anything that we want. We're going to get the same thing that we got under Trump.
- [27:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1667s) As that transition starts to happen and as that euphoria starts to die, the openings for this message will um expand. So, I think, you know, we've got to do all of our work to stop the wars, right? and and and and to uh to mitigate the danger we're in. But I think we have to have a long-term perspective and I think we have to be positive understanding that people are ready to hear this message.
- [28:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1690s) >> I think that's absolutely true. I think people definitely were trying to express that message in 2024 in the United States and even during the election people kept saying this and they just refused to hear it. And you see this even during the primary that there were many incumbents who were overthrown, who were unseated, people who were pro-war, pro- genocide, pro I mean it was it was quite disgusting what some of these congressmen thought they can get away with.
- [28:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1721s) Uh so it's actually very interesting to see what we're we're coming up with now and that this is actually an international process. I think uh we've talked about this uh a little bit um throughout [clears throat] the last weeks looking at Brazil, looking at France, looking at Spain, um looking at other nations in Europe that we have this process happening right now.
- [29:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1744s) What I'd like to do uh is actually just get some reflections from Ray McGovern uh before we continue uh on what's been said thus far. Ray, do you have some thoughts? you know, an and whoops. Let me put myself up here. Anastasia, I think that we're all on the same page here. I think we can just go right to entertaining questions or remarks from the audience.
- [29:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1768s) Um, I think that would be the best way to proceed. >> Well, we have some other speakers uh before we do that. So, what I'd like to do then um if you don't have uh reflections on this, then we'll continue. >> We'll also have >> Let me just do one thing. Sorry, because Rey might uh I think he has to get going.
- [29:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1788s) I just want to pose one thing for him and for Garland just because of their um both of them have have visited Russia over the last years and um I'd like to know what each of you think may be the thoughts of people outside of the United States. How you've seen you as Americans traveling outside of the United States knowing what this moment means.
- [30:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1812s) How do you think this can be used by us to do something about uh the danger that Helga spoke about in her opening? Ra, let's go to you first since you have the biggest limitation. >> Yeah. Well, I would say that uh one of the elements and I'm glad you asked this. This is something I should have put some focus on. uh the Russians and the Chinese are involved in Iran in a way far deeper than they usually get involved in such uh such activities.
- [30:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1841s) This is a major thing for them. They have a major stake. Putin called up uh the special advisor to the grand to the supreme leader Razai and the next day Razai shows up in Moscow. This is unprecedented that Puchin's head of state, but Azai is simply the national security adviser. Something going on there.
- [31:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1866s) I dare say it has a lot to do with Russian weaponry as well as Russian diplomacy that is into high gear right now. Uh the Russians are supplying significant amounts of weaponry and I think they are stovoce or maybe in full voice telling their American counterparts this is too serious to even contemplate use of nuclear weapons.
- [31:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1890s) The Chinese the Chinese are also playing koi al although they have a big stake in getting the tap turned on for oil from the Gulf. What have they said? Well, one of the things they've indicated is they're going to continue to to supply Iran with air defense missile which just won't quit and which if the Israelis and the US decide to use their fighter bombers or even their bombers, they're going to have extreme losses.
- [31:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1919s) So, Russia and China are in this real deep, real big. And what they're trying to do is satisfy the narcissist in the White House by having meetings. She loves to have meetings. And so the main the main outcome of this uh she meeting in Washington was as follows. According to the readout from both things from both parties, a constructive Chinese US relationship is desired.
- [32:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1950s) China and the United States support each other and they will successfully host the APAC economic meters meeting economic leaders meeting in China on the 18th of November and the G 20 summit in Miami in December. In other words, they want to keep Trump in the limelight so he doesn't do anything stupid. And given his his qualities, they have a good chance of doing that.
- [32:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=1979s) Will Trump really hit out on Iran when he's supposed to be due in uh in in China in just 10 days? I don't think so. But that's just my guess. Sorry. Uh Garland, please. It's your turn. >> No, no, no. That's excellent. I'm done. I'm finished. I'm good. >> Great. Excellent. >> Back to you, Anastasia. >> Okay.
- [33:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2001s) Great. Okay. I see Dennis Small, you have your hand raised. Go ahead. >> Just want to throw one other element into this. uh from what Rey was mentioning about the discussion between Russia and Iran and that is besides the questions of uh defense and this that and the other there's a gas pipeline and this is extremely important given the blockades going on given the breakdown of the western financial system that Russia and Iran in the bricks and the SEO and the nations of the south global south and the global east are very busy proceeding building
- [33:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2035s) the actual economics required to function. Um this really poses the issue in a sharp way because I think one of the issues that comes up out of the US elections and I think Garland hit the nail on the head on this thing. You know elections are not enough and you see that incidentally also in in Brazil Rey what you mentioned about Lula tremendous victory magnificent now the question is what is he going to do with economic policy and he's getting clobbered by the international financial markets by the global carry trade which speculates on
- [34:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2070s) the Brazilian currency and he's being driven into a corner where he's had to say at least so far yes we're going to be fiscally responsible we'll cut back the budget tighten our belts and so on when there is actually clearly another approach available especially if you consider what Iran and Russia are doing, China, Pakistan SEO and so on which is I think what Lula should do is on some Friday night after the markets close is number one announce that there will be full exchange controls and capital controls henceforth in Brazil. on
- [35:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2105s) Saturday morning after that announcement state that the Brazilian interest rate which stands at 13.5% is unilaterally reduced to 2%. Anyone who doesn't like it, too bad. There cannot be capital flight because there's no exchange controls anymore. Number three, launch major development projects uh such as the uh bioanic corridor linking up to the Chongqai port.
- [35:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2131s) The Pope is there as you said. This is a very interesting geometry taking shape. Launch that next step. You tell the banks lend into these projects and related development projects. Uh at 2% and you can survive very well. If Brazil gets hit with tariff warfare and maybe even expulsion from the swift, anything is quite possible.
- [35:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2153s) There are options being created through the bricks through the global south and so on. And this then raises the question front and center. And I think Brazil is in a perfect position to do this. How do we get a system going which is independent of the bankrupt criminally speculative 2.4 quadrillion speculative bubble.
- [36:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2176s) So I think there's many issues that are posed by this that are behind the scenes and actually the substantive issues posed by elections whether that election be in the United States with our 1.5 trillion military budget lined up and a trillion dollars on interest rates which is even a smaller part of the budget than interest rates are in Brazil where it's close to 20%. Or a situation like Brazil.
- [36:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2200s) So we have we have an issue which really poses the entirety of the global configuration here including what will hopefully begin to be taken up at the meeting in uh the corridors of the APEC meeting. >> Great. Thank you Dennis Small and uh Rey and Garland. I know you both have to get going.
- [36:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2219s) So I really want to thank you both uh for joining us for this discussion today uh and being part of this uh dialogue process uh looking at some very complex things that are happening in the United States and elsewhere. So thank you very much for joining us. >> Thank you. >> Most welcome. >> Okay. So next um I'm going to go to our next speaker who's actually new to us on the international peace coalition but not new uh to the discussion process with um uh many of us on uh this meeting today. Uh his name is Yaser uh Dr.
- [37:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2251s) Yasir uh Masud uh he's a Pakistani political and security analyst uh academic and broadcast journalist. uh and today his talk is uh Pakistan and the geopolitics of the new southwest Asian order. Uh thank you so much for joining us Dr. Massud. Uh it's an honor to have you on today. >> Thank you very much.
- [37:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2274s) It's equally a pleasure. >> Uh please go ahead. You have the floor. >> All right. And thank you very much uh to the Schiller Institute and I'm personally thankful to Helga because uh she is um I'm a great source of learning for me and we have been in touch for quite some time and uh I have been very keenly watching the uh and reading into the Oasis plan.
- [38:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2304s) So for me it's a great honor uh to speak in front of uh this August gathering. Uh I'll I'll straight start with the south a uh southwest Asia as we know stands at a decisive geopolitical crossroads where security cannot be engineered through military arrangements alone. It indeed requires credible deterrence, sustained diplomacy and robust economic integration.
- [38:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2333s) The structural confrontation involving the US, Israel, and Iran carries systemic consequences far beyond the immediate theater. The strait of Hermos serves as the primary diagnostic of this vulnerability. A roughly 20 million barrels and I'm quoting the figure of last year uh of crude oil and oil products transited this corridor.
- [39:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2362s) about a quarter of global uh seabbone oil trade with 80% destined for Asia alongside nearly a fifth of global LNG trade. Now the important uh point is that the do understand this that geography as asymmetric leverage. It can elevate external pressure costs without matching adversaries conventional military power. But I believe this leverage carries a structural paradox.
- [39:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2396s) How repeated threats incentivize target states to accelerate supply diversification, invest in renewables and nuclear power, and develop transport corridors. The more geography is weaponized, the faster the incentive to bypass it grows. Market price risk long before physical barrels are disrupted. Conflict is fought over confidence and insurance premiums.
- [40:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2424s) And in such scenario, unilateral attempts to impose transit trans restrictions or blockades would seriously raise questions under international maritime law, particularly regarding freedom of navigation. Compounding maritime vulnerability is a dangerous escalation trap. And why I call it a dangerous escalation trap because I have explained this in one of my recent video interviews.
- [40:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2454s) A government may calculate that a limited strike signals resolve yet adversaries routinely interpret it as an existential threat. In congested maritime corridors, operational momentum can easily outpace political containment. And it is also an analytical error to confuse a ceasefire with political settlement. A ceession of hostilities halts the exchange of fire but leaves underlying resources of insecurity intact.
- [41:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2490s) Unadressed trust deficits, nuclear disputes, sanctions, divergent security perceptions, and the unresolved Palestinian question. A durable regional order must grapple with these foundational grievances rather than merely phrasing conflict. This puts me to a bigger question that this strategic reality directly shapes Pakistan's position.
- [41:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2518s) As I have examined in my research on Pakistan's role in a fluid multipolar order, the nation operates as a constrained bridge state linking South Asia, Southwest Asia, Central Asia, China and the Arabian Sea under severe economic limitations. While Kaida Muhammad Ali Jina the founder of Pakistan famously character characterized Pakistan as the pivot of the world, geostrategic gravity is not conferred automatically by ctography.
- [42:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2553s) And I could uh if we turn the clock back to the last year, the May 2025 confrontation with India underscored the importance of credible deterrence, operational discipline and strategic restraint, teaching Pakistan to manage escalation without allowing a single confrontation to dictate broader foreign policy priorities.
- [42:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2579s) Therefore, Pakistan practices no camp politics. But this policy should not be confused with the unrestricted strategic flexibility. Pakistan's choices remain constrained by economic dependencies, IMF conditionalities, Chinese financial commitments, Gulf remittance flows and security imperatives. Its diplomatic agency is real but operates within these structural limitations distinguish distinguishing Pakistan not simply as a swing state but as a constrained bridge state.
- [43:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2620s) The Pakistan Qatar process illustrates both potential and limits. at Bergenstock, Pakistan and Qatar mediated high level talks involving US and Iranian representatives resulting in a high level committee and communication channels to safeguard Hermus transit but separately an Iranian official I mean it's the last it's yesterday's figure an Iranian official told Reuters on November 5 that had sent Washington a nuclear proposal through Qatar.
- [44:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2659s) Now let's come to the Makkah joint defense agreement and I believe that the Makkah joint defense agreement must be evaluated through this sober analytical lens emerging amid Houthi's attacks against Saudi territory and critical infrastructure. The pact creates a collective defense commitment presenting a delicate signaling challenge.
- [44:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2686s) reassuring Riyad of Pakistan's commitment to Saudi territorial security and the two holy mosques while avoiding open-ended regional entanglements. It is pertinent to mention that article 2 treats an externally originating armed attack as an attack against all and provides for immediate mutual assistance.
- [45:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2713s) It also requires the scope and nature of support to be determined through an objective assessment of requirements and available capabilities. For Pakistan, implementation should prioritize collective territorial defense, conventional deterrence and crisis coordination while distinguishing defending Saudi sovereignity from offensive operations in inside Yemen.
- [45:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2739s) And it is very important to tell that Pakistan's in 2015 parliamentary resolution offered an important precedent. It called for neutrality in the Yemen conflict to preserve Pakistan's diplomatic role while affirming that Pakistan would stand with Saudi Arabia if its territorial integrity or the two holy mosques were threatened.
- [46:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2766s) Furthermore, our diplomatic approach must operate on two complimentary tracks. Visible reassurance of security partners like Saudi Arabia and Turkey alongside sustained engagement with Thran and Washington. Crucially, the three signaries possess divergent threat perceptions. Pakistan's primary orientation remains anchored in South Asia.
- [46:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2795s) Saudi Arabia's calculus spans the Gulf and Red Sea while Turkey outlook extends across Europe and the Middle East with NATO adding security commitments. Institutional architectures differs correspondingly. Turkey is in NATO. Pakistan maintains a strategic partnership with China and Saudi Arabia. preserves a foundational security relationship with the US and article 12 explicitly preserves pre-existing international obligations.
- [47:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2829s) Oper operationalization through the strategic political and defense committee must be anchored in conventional cooperation, air defense integration, joint training and crisis consultation. Turkeykey's parliament approved the ratification bill on November 5 by two by 279 votes 219 marking a major domestic legislative step towards bringing the agreement into force.
- [47:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2858s) Pakistan's nuclear deterrent is designed around its own national security calculus principally in the context of its strategic competition with India. It should it should neither be interpreted as an extended nuclear umbrella for Saudi Arabia nor treated as a collective asset of the Makkah framework. Meaningful deterrence must rely on conventional military cooperation, intelligence sharing and interoperability.
- [48:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2891s) Furthermore, the Makkah framework must avoid hardening into an anti-Iran block. Recent diplomatic engagement in Thran involving Pakistani, Saudi and Turkish representatives demonstrates that collective deterrence and sustained dialogue with Iran can operate as a complimentary instrument of straight craft. Ultimately, sustainable security cannot be decoupled from inclusive economic development as emphasized in broader frameworks like the extended Oasis plan.
- [48:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2928s) Structural vulnerabilities, chronic water scarce scarcity, energy insecurity and fractured connectivity deepen political fragility. and initiatives such as the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, Gawadada port and links with Central Asia offers pathways to shared prosperity. But physical infrastructure alone cannot generate political peace.
- [49:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2957s) Pakistan must move beyond a rent dependent geopolitical model in which geography generates external inflows towards a valuecreating geoeconomic model grounded in productivity, connectivity and sustained investment. And lastly, my research on Balojasthan reinforces uh a central lesson. Economic corridors must be underpinned by political inclusion.
- [49:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=2986s) effective governance and equitable distribution of development dividends and therefore geography can be widened as an instrument of conflict are transformed into the bedrock of regional connectivity. The choice facing southwest Asia is to move from permanent confrontation towards shared security and shared development. Thank you.
- [50:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3015s) Thank you very much Dr. Massud uh for your presentation. I found this very very interesting uh and I'm sure many people in the audience are itching to get to questions. Um so what I want to do uh is I actually want to encourage people who are in the audience to start thinking about your questions because we will be coming up on Q&A very soon.
- [50:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3036s) We have uh a couple more speakers. Um, [clears throat] and if you're joining us over the live broadcast, if you're watching over Twi Twitter, Rumble, uh, YouTube, wherever you're watching and you'd like to participate during the discussion period, uh, please go to schillerinstitute.com and you will find the RSVP page to get the Zoom link and you'll be able to join us for the live Q&A session.
- [51:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3061s) Uh, so with that, we're going to continue and then we'll absolutely come back to you, Dr. Massud. Thank you very much for your presentation. >> [clears throat] >> uh was very enlightening uh to me. Uh so next what I'd like to go to is uh Farida Gillisburg. Uh she's a Larouche organizer from Albania and currently located in Denmark.
- [51:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3082s) Uh and she has a number of reports to give uh from on the ground throughout uh the uh protests happening in Albania and Serbia. Uh do we have you there, Farita? >> Hello. >> Hi. >> You can hear me well. Thanks. It is an honor for me to speak at this forum. Thank you a lot. Uh yes, I am Albanian. I live in Denmark. I grew up in Germany.
- [51:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3107s) So, uh since but I have been in in Albania um many times. uh before I I tell what's going on in you know what's going on right now is I have to go a little bit back because when Adi Rama the Albanian prime minister uh won you know you the elections in 2013 uh many people had a lot of hope really a lot of hope because before that we had chaos and before that we had communism for 40 years >> [clears throat] >> uh but this hope vanished very quickly a nation of around 4 million people has been reduced to 1.3 million people. Many
- [52:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3149s) fled after the fall of the communist system and then in when the uh pyramid game scheme collapsed and then during the last 10 years around 1 million. There has been a total brain drain and pe whoever could leave Albania would leave leave Albania and they did not leave Albania because they wanted to. They were they were forced to by the economic circumstances.
- [52:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3176s) The shock therapy after the collapse of the communist system has been a total destruction and Albania as we have seen in the whole of Europe is a captured state. I mean this is also what makes things you know very very um uh historic. We are all sitting in one in one boat. You know, if you have a nation like the United States of America who has a president who is behaving as God on earth, you know, just attacking a nation without declaring war, just uh doing whatever he's wishing to do or a genocide in Gaza where a prime minister, you know, is
- [53:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3217s) he's going to the US whenever he want. He's not being punished for what he is his crimes against humanity. So Albania is a little nation and Albania's disfortunate is that it is a nation in the middle of uh you can say in the middle of Europe in the east east coast and uh you know on the other side of Italy and it has a lot of coast and so when Albania when Prime Minister Edma came into power he came with an agenda which was his agenda is to actually transform Albania into a country which is uh in service of George
- [54:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3260s) Soros, which is in service of the mafia, which is in service of uh some interest in the uh western slime mold which Linda Larouche has been talking about a lot. Why do I name say this? It's because Albania Albanians have enough of this. So the last 10 years people have been im immigrating and this this generation the young people who are leading the protests is the first generation which has grown up in a democra the de democracy and freedom and these young people many of them are actually children of you know
- [55:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3301s) people like me you know who come back to Albania. Many come back to Albania to study in Albania because they love their nation and they actually say to themselves, "Okay, we live in Italy, we live in the United States and we live in Sweden, in Denmark, but you know, we actually would rather like to stay in our country.
- [55:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3320s) I'm starting to be an engineer or an electrician or you know uh so so they rather like to stay in their own country and they they are reflecting about the situation that says okay people are forced into immigration while the prime minister has um has one agenda which is to to actually make Albania as his property. So one one very important question with Albania is uh for people is that uh the property the right of your land the property you know with the property right he the prime minister changed that to around two years ago and it got and
- [56:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3361s) and it got to be very explosive because most people in Albania you know who live also in an immigration you know they're waiting for years and years and years to get the paper of the certificate of their property Now the prime minister has changed that just like that said okay but we are going to have a new law which which which give which actually has the idea to sell this land out for one euro which is uh for you know with a purpose of a strategic attracting strategic investments and you know what is this about you know they are selling this
- [56:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3398s) country out to the Epstein class and this is Because Jared Kushner is one of the actually the um his company which called affinity what is it combo affinity partners he's one of the companies which is you know the under company which has the right to invest in Albania to buy up uh they are going you know the prime minister's idea is to have uh you know he's written this Albanian files to make a new Dubai Dubai out of Albania for the rich people.
- [57:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3436s) Uh so when people began to reflect okay all of these people are immigrating and then the prime minister's reaction is okay he's selling out the country and then he's making deals like this India to import uh cheap labor from India and other countries to replace it their own population. uh this has gone a little bit far in terms of you know is this a strategy to make this country to be a new Dubai to be a new Israel for you know for the Zionists and this when uh when it got to be public that uh you know in here in May in the end of May now that Kushna is
- [57:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3475s) going to to get the land people uh began protesting this was the drop that got the water to boil over. So the protests against the sellout of Albania has been since end the end of May. They have been every day. They have been peaceful and they are peaceful and uh they are very big. Sometimes there have been hundred thousands of people, sometimes 50,000, some sometimes even more than 80 80,000 you know 100,000 120,00ands because uh there is a patriotic um reflection about that either we save our country or we are going to lose it
- [58:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3517s) forever. So uh this is you know this is very dramatic because Albania is a nation which always has been occupied. So this is why it's also very very deep. Uh the inspiration from Serbia that you know for the elections in Serbia the student uh who who actually protested in longer time is it is an inspiration because it shows that it is possible.
- [59:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3542s) Yeah. It is possible if you continue fighting because we need a regime change. I mean we need a regime change in the US. We need a regime change in Germany and in France and everywhere because our governments are a part of the Epstein class. But what do we put instead? And this is where the role of the Chileans would come in.
- [59:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3561s) So I've been down there for four times doing uh here since May. I've been speaking to many people and I have been looking at the demonstrations um you know closely. So um this is yeah our job to like make sure that this there's a you know an idea of where to go. Uh but what is now very critical is uh that the government of Albania under Eddie Rama decided to um to crash the protesters by force and I know what is coming out in the media you know officially is not the same as what is going on.
- [1:00:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3602s) I mean the last uh three good weeks more than thousand students and even teenagers has been beaten up and being put in prison you know four days three four days for and now they're going after all the families and f giving them a fine of 6,000 euro each family to to to harass them and to actually punish now the families of the demonstrators which has created so much um tension.
- [1:00:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3632s) There's so much tension in the whole nation because they are not going to accept this threat that you know they they are going after our children. They're beating the children up you know the youth and the teenagers and now they're trying to quieten the situation by this uh uh fines. Um, so I would maybe just um also just to mention one thing in Albania in the news because you have the official news and then you have different news uh uh broadcasts, news um independent news channels.
- [1:01:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3666s) The big uh coverage is every day the corruption, the mafia because the cocaine trade in Albania has been increased and it has been uh how you say it has been very much consolidated with the cocaine uh trade from South America. All the buildings that are being built in Albania is they're whitewashing the money from the cocaine trade.
- [1:01:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3695s) This has to come out and this has to be investigated. This is being investigated in Albania, but the special anti-corruption institute is under the American influence and they are actually they are not very happy for what uh the reports that are coming out because there's always you know there's always this connection to the US or and to Israel like a guy his name is uh Ron Yeett um he's uh He is one of the main um person coming up again and again in the quest of drug weapon trade as well.
- [1:02:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3735s) The weapons are coming from Africa to Albania re and they're getting repacked and they are being sent to Ukraine. Uh it so it is a place a na you know a nation which is grabbed you know it is being played in this international game geopolitics [clears throat] uh but the the young people and this is what I would really like to encourage all young people everywhere in the nation in different nations because what we see in Italy and in France and I in more mo Germany is that the young people are not that they don't they don't
- [1:02:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3772s) They're not going to allow our nations to go to hell, you know. They're not going to allow uh this corrupt leaders um to to uh annihilate our our future, the future of the youth. So, so the young people are the hope and the young people uh um have the energy. They also have no fear. Especially in Albania, they say, "I'm going to die for my nation.
- [1:03:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3800s) " You know, you have so many people who saying that because they they they are very very conscious about that I if they don't win this battle, Albania is not going to exist because it's being sold out literally. So, I would maybe like just like to show some of the uh uh recordings. There's one there's one recording where you can see the vehicle which is being used.
- [1:03:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3825s) They're driving this vehicle into the demonstration. the police, especially police force into the demonstration and uh spilling this gas into the demonstration and um actually beating young people up and um I know this proper cultures, but it does this are teenagers. Uh so we and then there's a little uh interview I did with one of the youth which um we we can play it maybe all together and then if there's any questions I I more than I'm more than willing to take them and just want some concluding words.
- [1:04:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3862s) It is >> Albania loves the US and you know there's a lot of Albanians in the United States of America. There's around 6 million people living uh I think 6006 million Albanians living in the United States, Canada and Europe. But this aspiration of the American uh fight for independence, the idea of the republic, the idea that you know you create a nation of the people, for the people, by the people, this is what is the driver for the protests.
- [1:04:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3895s) So now we can show. >> Great. Thank you. Let's pull up those videos, please. They're going to begin on the other side too. [applause] position. [applause] >> And Tana, can you quickly tell us what you are doing here and why all this police behind you? Okay, I can show you >> what's going on. >> We are here to secure a better future for our youth and for our students.
- [1:05:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3950s) And we won't leave here until we get that. and we want the establishment of the old uh government. >> So uh you are mainly young people and you're continuing Yeah. As I could see the demonstrations are very peaceful. Uh maybe there's some provocators but what is your message to uh to the world? Could you maybe say some words? >> Everyone needs to wake up and see the reality that the system doesn't want us to grow and doesn't want us to look outside of the box.
- [1:06:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=3982s) We just need to become more aware. >> When you say the system, what do you mean? >> The system, I mean the same class and the government and everything that's going on behind closed doors and the people are not the caution that is happening. >> So, we should unite the whole youth to defeat the Epstein class. >> Thanks a lot.
- [1:06:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=4010s) Can I just go? >> Great. Thank you very much Farita uh for sharing that with us and giving us this report uh with on the ground footage uh and a short interview with uh people uh who are actively participating. So what I'd like to do now uh is because we do have some time restrictions um for uh Dr. Massud.
- [1:07:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=4030s) So I think what we're going to do is we're going to uh incorporate uh Diane S into the Q&A. And um so what I'd like to do uh so I'll make the general announcement uh for people who are watching on the live broadcast uh if you're on watching over Twitter, Rumble X, um YouTube and you would like to participate during the discussion period uh you need the Zoom link.
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- [1:07:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfa5XlpPVg&t=4074s) So with that folks, um we'll see you uh during the discussion period.